【Bloomberg Surveillance】Federal Reserve Dilemma Amid Shutdown Uncertainty & New York’s Political-Economic Shifts – Listen on Apple Podcasts

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???? Executive Summary

• ???? Federal Reserve’s rate-cut strategy is under intense scrutiny, with data opacity from the ongoing government shutdown creating uncertainty for policy moves in December (Michael Gapen and Matt Hornbach, Morgan Stanley).
• ???? The labor market is showing modest softness despite buoyant activity in sectors like AI, leading to expectations that the unemployment rate could reach 4.5-4.6% by year-end (Gapen).
• ???? A potential Supreme Court ruling on Trump-era tariffs risks a $90 billion economic shock as importers line up for refunds or remain exposed to ongoing tariffs (legal and market insights from Azak Nikakta).
• ????️ The New York City mayoral shift to Democratic Socialist Zohr Mumdani has sparked debate over tax policy, fiscal control, and business-community trust (Catherine Wylde, Partnership for New York City).
• ???? Fixed income and credit markets show resilience, with leading asset managers like Apollo emphasizing origination and control, yet remain wary of late-stage credit risks and sector concentration (Jim Zelter, Apollo Global Management).
• ???? There is consensus that fiscal policy must play a greater role to address entrenched inequality and affordability crises, as monetary easing may further fuel asset inflation without benefiting real economy.

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This edition of Bloomberg Surveillance, hosted by Jonathan Ferro, Lisa Abramowicz, and Amir Hordert, brings expert commentary on the ongoing macroeconomic and political turbulence impacting the Fed’s decision framework, U.S. fiscal strategy, New York City’s new political direction, and global asset management trends. Notable guests include Michael Gapen and Matt Hornbach (Morgan Stanley), Catherine Wylde (Partnership for New York City), Azak Nikakta (former Commerce Dept.), and Jim Zelter (Apollo Global Management), each offering professional insights into fast-moving policy, market, and legal landscapes.

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???? Federal Reserve Policy and Market Uncertainty

Key Analysis

[00:00:54] Michael Gapen (Morgan Stanley) underscores the Fed’s “car in the fog” challenge: the loss of crucial economic data due to a prolonged government shutdown makes December’s policy decision murky. He points out that if a shutdown persists through December, with economic drag pushing quarterly growth towards zero, this absence of data “probably still justifies a cut.”

[00:01:36] Gapen elaborates that while “maybe we don’t need it,” the balance of risks has shifted, with modest labor market deterioration enough for a more data-dependent Fed to justify moving rates closer to neutral.

[00:02:47] Matt Hornbach highlights investor thinking: “the government shutdown is starting to slowly creep into the mindset of investors,” particularly as markets price in gradual easing but hesitate to completely dismiss a December rate cut. The bond market remains forward-looking, closely eyeing the Fed’s reaction function and the sparse data available.

[00:04:33] Gapen draws a contrast: while high-income and AI-driven activity is solid, the labor market data are “modestly cooling,” projecting unemployment rate at 4.5–4.6% by year-end, “enough for a Fed chair who says he’s now a little more data dependent to say, let’s take another step.”

Controversy & Counterpoints

[00:02:00] Gapen admits their original 2024 outlook did not call for cuts, expecting them in 2026, emphasizing “maybe we don’t need it”—revealing a persistent debate on whether the U.S. economy needs rate relief or simply patience.

[00:06:48] Hornbach: If the Fed matches the market’s forward guidance and delivers “an easing cycle in line with what Mike believes,” forward curves will still fall, weighing on yields—prompting a concern about whether a feedback loop of lower-for-longer yields could misprice duration risk.

[00:08:14] Lisa Abramowicz probes risks of the Fed “monetizing” government debt by buying more T-bills—Hornbach responds, “bond vigilantes… typically lose money at the end of the day,” dismissing immediate issuance risks but acknowledging that if rate cuts were delivered while inflation rises, “that would get bond investors very nervous.”

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???? New York City Politics and Business Backlash

Key Analysis

[00:12:23] The election of Democratic Socialist Zohran Mamdani as NYC Mayor, discussed with Catherine Wylde, marks the city’s highest mayoral turnout in 56 years, driven by deep concern over the “high cost of living and doing business.” Wylde frames the result as both a backlash against previous politicians and a bid for more radical change.

[00:13:42] Business elites remain wary. Wylde notes Mamdani’s outreach to “show them that I’m not going to socialize their business,” and the importance of retaining NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch as a public safety guarantee. She cites declining crime rates and the business-affirming signal of keeping Tisch.

[00:15:55] Cost and tax-related migration is top-of-mind, with Wylde stating, “right now, those of us professionals in New York are paying 55% of their income in taxes… move to Florida or Texas, you’re paying 38%.” She signals the mayor must become practical as he faces the implications of competitive tax differentials and a legal debt limit with state controls.

Controversy & Counterpoints

[00:16:44] Despite campaign rhetoric to “raise taxes on the wealthiest,” Mamdani is limited by legal constraints that preclude hiking city income taxes without state approval. Therefore, his power is circumscribed, and his shift away from tax talk in his acceptance speech is seen as a positive by the business community.

[00:17:02] Wylde asserts, “if the mayor gets too aggressive about his spending, a financial control board comes into place and the state takes over,” thus providing a check on fiscal excess. She concludes the path forward hinges on “reducing the cost of government and bureaucracy,” signaling hope for pragmatic governance even amid radical campaign postures.

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???? Tariff Litigation and Economic Impact

Key Analysis

[00:18:57] The U.S. Supreme Court’s review of Trump-era tariffs could trigger a $90 billion fiscal event, discussed by former Commerce official Azak Nikakta. At stake is the president’s use of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to levy tariffs—normally Congress’ domain.

[00:22:16] Nikakta describes the legal crux: “does this law give the president sweeping authority to regulate imports through taxes, or is that Congress’ prerogative?” If struck down, importers could claim refunds plus interest, with “a sudden shock to the economy depending on how the Supreme Court rules.”

[00:25:59] The economic dimension: if tariffs are refunded, import intermediaries, not end-businesses, would benefit—potentially creating an unsynchronized windfall without trickling down, or a substantial issuance problem if ruled unconstitutional.

Controversy & Counterpoints

[00:23:44] The administration argues national security (fentanyl, rare earths, trade deficit) as justification for emergency tariffs. Nikakta distinguishes, “if the president just doesn’t like a trade deficit, can he use IEEPA? The courts may say there’s different legal authority for that.”

[00:26:15] While some importers are preparing to reclaim tariff payments, the actual disbursement mechanism and whether refunds reach wider businesses remain unclear—underscoring market and legal unpredictability.

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???? Asset Management, Credit Quality & Economic Cycles

Key Analysis

[00:28:15] Jim Zelter (Apollo Global Management) highlights the “flywheel” of their business model, shifting focus from mere AUM size to deep origination and spread control, with 80% of origination in investment grade and robust performance metrics: “mid 300s” spread for investment grade and “mid 400s” for non-investment grade originations.

[00:32:27] Zelter warns, “you’re fifteen, sixteen years into a credit cycle… we are not seeing any kind of credit cycle on the horizon that’s waning anytime soon,” despite idiosyncratic cases like SVB and First Republic. Internationally, Apollo favors senior secured, investment-grade deals, cautious of high sector valuations (esp. AI/data centers) and residual risks.

[00:40:06] On inequality and affordability, Zelter argues that “monetary policy alone cannot address entrenched inequities” and that asset inflation (K-shaped economy) is likely to accelerate with further easing, rather than offering material relief to the lower-income bracket.

Controversy & Counterpoints

[00:41:38] Zelter distinguishes Apollo’s conservative investment posture—“we’re much more focused on financing the global industrial renaissance”—from “leaning into the bubble,” even as rates decline. The implication: seasoned asset managers may abstain from risk-chasing, even as looser monetary policy invites froth elsewhere.

[00:43:24] On the “bank vs. asset manager” credit debate, Zelter emphasizes, “the litmus test of quality is not public or private… the longer story is about credit quality and sustainability, not ownership structure.”

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???? Conclusion & Market Implications

• ???? The Fed’s December policy path remains opaque, with a data-light environment likely leading to cautious or even insistent easing, but the underlying debate on necessity persists.
• ????️ New York City’s political and fiscal landscape is at an inflection point, with campaign rhetoric yielding to governance realities—business and investors await key appointments to gauge direction.
• ⚖️ Supreme Court deliberations on tariffs raise the risk of significant fiscal volatility, regardless of the outcome, keeping the bond market alert to potential deficit shocks.
• ???? Asset managers’ shift toward disciplined origination and credit quality highlights late-cycle caution and selectivity amidst global capital market evolution.
• ???? The consensus leans toward the necessity of renewed fiscal leadership and structural reform to address wage stagnation, housing crises, and affordability—monetary levers alone are insufficient for equitable growth.

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